Most of the stories on this blog have been about the
Flitney/Stopps side of the family, but it’s now time to redress the balance a
little.
A summer picnic; Left to right me (Barbara), Auntie Gladys,
Sue, Rene Flitney née Harding and Thomas Harding.
By the time I got to know my maternal grandfather Thomas
Henry Harding his first wife Alice (my grandmother) had died, and he was
married to my Auntie Gladys. I just accepted that Gladys was my 'auntie' and
that my ‘real’ grandmother was dead. I'm kicking myself for not asking any
questions when I had the chance. I know
mum was often sad when she talked about her own mother, but I have no idea how
she felt about Gladys. They always seemed to get on OK more than that I don’t
know. Gladys is a complete mystery – I have nothing to go on. I will have to
start by looking for a marriage certificate but for now I want to think about
my Grandmother Alice Laura Harding née Wesley.
Alice was born in Aylesbury, Buckinghamshire on the 26th
December, 1893 the daughter of John (**a gas stoker) and Mary Wesley née
Simmonds.
A team of gas stokers hard at work via
By 1901, Alice with her mother, father and older brother
Thomas were living at 39, New Zealand, Aylesbury. I felt sure the address taken
from the 1901 census must be a mistake, but it turns out New Zealand is a
hamlet in the parish of Aylesbury. Apparently, the name comes from a breed of
cattle that was farmed there. (Wikipedia)
1901 census showing the family living at No. 39, New Zealand, Aylesbury.
When Alice and Thomas married in 1908, Alice’s family were
living at Willow Road, Aylesbury and that was where Alice and Thomas started
their married life. I'm assuming money must have been very tight for the family. Thomas was employed
as a general labourer and his father in law was still working at the gas works.
My maternal grandmother Alice Laura Harding née Wesley
Alice and Thomas went on to have five children born between
1911 and 1917. Their youngest Alice Irene Florence (known as Rene to her
friends and Dinks to her brothers), was born in 1917. By this time the family had moved once more and were living at Prebendal Avenue, Southcourt.
Thomas Harding back row far left. Alice & Rene front row
second & third left. I assume the chaps in the back row must be their sons so
perhaps the women are wives or girlfriends.
With thanks to Sue Poulter for the photograph.
Money continued to be an issue for Alice and Thomas as recalled
by Rene in this hand-written note from November 1994.
I often sit alone and think of my childhood. We were so poor
and I always longed for Saturdays when my Uncle Peter came to visit – he was
always worse for drink and would get to us after the pubs closed. My mother
always cooked him a lunch. Her name was Alice and Uncle Peter would arrive, sit
down by the fire and start crying saying, “don’t be cross with me Ally" he
would say it over and over it always worried me, so he would give me a penny
and tell me to buy something nice. I would rush up town and buy a balloon and
play with it until it popped, then I had to wait for the next Saturday.
Alice - (on right of photograph)
Alice was in poor health throughout most of her life and when
her daughter Rene got married in 1938, she was too ill to attend the wedding.
Just seven months later the newspapers were reporting her death;
Mrs. A. L. Harding; After a long illness patiently borne, Mrs. Alice Laura Harding, of 37 Prebendal Avenue, Southcourt, Aylesbury, died last Wednesday week (25th January 1939). Mrs. Harding, who was 46 years of age, was the wife of Mr.T.H. Harding. She was a native of Aylesbury, the daughter of the late Mr. and Mrs. John Wesley, formerly of Maldon Terrace. She had been in ill health for some time, and had twice been in the Royal Bucks Hospital, but her cheery disposition had never failed her. Four sons, well known in local football circles, and a daughter are left with Mr. Harding to mourn their loss.
Alice was just 46 years old when she died.
her husband (my maternal grandfather) Thomas Henry Harding
and their daughter Rene (my mother) looking remarkably like her own mother
Alice Irene (Rene) Flitney née Harding with Peggy.
This poem was found in Rene's diary. I assume she must have copied it from somewhere;
Memories are the pictures that an artist cannot paint.
They’re secret, and they’re private. Some are sharp, and
some are faint.
Memories that bring laughter, some that will bring tears,
Happenings of yesterday, or of those bygone years.
Memories of my childhood, of the games I used to play.
Memories of the good old days, that seem so far away.
I sit and reminisce, in the silence of my room,
Painting pictures of my memories and a love that died too
soon.
Please write down your memories and pass them on to your
children. They may not want to read them today, but one day they will.
Love the photo of mum with Peggy. I cannot remember anything about John and Mary so well done you for filling some of those gaps.
ReplyDeleteSue xx
Thank you sister, I didn’t know anything about them either so it was fun trying to find out. Just wish I could find more will have to keep digging. xx
DeleteHello Barbara and Sue,
ReplyDeleteI just spent two minutes wondering why you had a different name on a picture of your Mum. Now having read the full, very interesting story, I see my mistake. Aunt Renee was so like her mother as you say.
John
Hello John, sorry for the confusion! Rene and Alice are so alike they could be twins – if not for the fact that they are mother and daughter. Thank you for your always kind words.
DeleteI tried entering something here a couple of times not sure whats happening. But I am your cousin Christine, daughter of Charles and May, Charles was the eldest son of Tom and Alice please contact me on fellofam@gmail com
DeleteHello Chris, lovely to meet you! My internet access is restricted at the moment (I’m away from home) but will contact you middle of next week. Sorry you had a problem with the comments, thanks for trying again. Barbara
DeleteHi Barbara, not sure if you’ll get this as the blog is a few years old now, but my great grandad Cyril is Ferdinand Juniors son. My dad and I are always looking for more info on our family as we don’t know a lot. If you’d like a chat, please reach me on ellaczilinsky@hotmail.co.uk
ReplyDeleteHello Ella, I've only just found your comment having not checked the blog for a couple of months. I will email you. Barbara
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